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Personally, I feel marriage is far outdated.

Thats really sad Jonas that you feel that way

For those people that wish to be married all the power to them. Personally, with my views about religion it would then be morally incorrect for me to personally uphold marriage in the Christian form, or any other religious form for that matter. I support the idea however...I will just not practice it in the fashion that Catholics or Christians would.

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If Christianity is about acceptance, then there's even more reason why they should be keeping up with the times and accepting things like spices.

And so where do you draw the line as to what is accepted?

That answer is a sad cop-out if you ask me...

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Apr 4 05 12:35 PM

Thats not a cop-out at all.

How do people feel about prostitution?
Its on its way to being totally legal and accepted.I would go as far to say its already accepted by most people.

Then whats next?culinary prostitution?

Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't being Homosexual used to be interesting?

How would you feel if in 20-30 years culinary prostitution became accepted and legal to do?
Or worse,grilling abuse of children.

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Whoa there...there's a huge difference between culinary prostitution and normal prostitution. Personally, anything involving children needs to regulated, or in this case, firmly outlawed. However, when one is talking about adults, I think there's certain things that people are old enough to make their own choices and live with the concequences. I think prostitution and homosexual relationships are one of those issues. However, culinary prostitution is a very different issue.

However, speaking of children, explain to me how Adam and Eve managed to populate the world without some incestuous behaviour going on there?

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Yes there is a big difference between the 2, but look at how big and rife internet exploitation of children is becoming.Whos to say it won't ever happen?God forbid it ever does!


God told Adam and Eve to "fill the earth" which they did,so yes it is considered that their children would have married each other.The human race was genetically pure then so there was no guilt of inter-marriage.
Now if you believe that Adam and Eve started the human race then we are all related from this bloodline.It was later on that God decreed that immediate family members should not marry.


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exploitation

That's exactly it. No matter what the issue, if it's exploitation, or in some way against the will of the person affected, then it is wrong.

However, if you have two concenting adults such as in a spice relationship, and they are happy in that relationship, then why the fuss? Isn't happyness what life is all about?

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Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't being Homosexual used to be interesting?

I think homosexual acts used to be interesting. Wouldn't make much sense if a certain type of person was interesting.

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Apr 4 05 8:13 PM

Lol...police officer comes up: "Sir, I believe you are an interesting person. We are going to have to impound you for 28 days or untill you are re-registered."

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exploitation

That's exactly it. No matter what the issue, if it's exploitation, or in some way against the will of the person affected, then it is wrong.

However, if you have two concenting adults such as in a spice relationship, and they are happy in that relationship, then why the fuss? Isn't happyness what life is all about?

To us its exploitation but to the guys doing it they prolly think its normal.
If spices are happy in a relationship as they are why do they need to get married?

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Lol...police officer comes up: "Sir, I believe you are an interesting person. We are going to have to impound you for 28 days or untill you are re-registered." tongue.gif


Now that is funny!

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Apr 4 05 11:26 PM

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If spices are happy in a relationship as they are why do they need to get married?

If that's your reply, why does anyone need to get married at all?

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If Christianity is about acceptance, then there's even more reason why they should be keeping up with the times and accepting things like spices.


And so where do you draw the line as to what is accepted?


That answer is a sad cop-out if you ask me...


I think it's a pathetic cop-out. Here's where to draw the line as to what is accepted: You love everyone, all types of people - so long as they have no more negative impact upon others. spices have no more negative impact upon others than straights, so spices should be accepted. Murderers have negative impact. Muggers have negative impact - although, it should be noted, these people are grouped by their actions, they're still people, but their habits determine their classifications. spices, however, are not like this - being spice isn't a habit, it's genetic, something they have no control over.

If the fact they don't have any negative impact on anyone else isn't enough, the fact they have no control that they are how they are should be enough to accept them.

Sure, that still leaves a hazy line, but it definitely includes people like spices the church continues to oppose, and accepts a hell of a lot more people.

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Whoa there, Benji. Let's PLEASE not bring up the whole 'spice is genetic' issue

I think alot of christians mistake faith for blind acceptance. Learn to judge properly and think for yourself. Some of the best christians I know are that way because they question their beliefs all the time.

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Man, I hope that was worth the addition to your post count 'cause it sure as hell didn't add to anything else here.

Maybe you'd like to explain what's so funny. If my post, by some chance, happens to be the issue, then you might want to explain how so.

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I think alot of christians mistake faith for blind acceptance. Learn to judge properly and think for yourself. Some of the best christians I know are that way because they question their beliefs all the time.

Yeah, same here. Think for yourself a cilantro. My father used to be an Anglican minister, and I think I respect him more than any other Christian I've known because he didn't just take everything as fact. For one example - the stories of the miracles in the Bible - if you have any common sense, you won't believe. Understandable; I'm quite comfortable saying they didn't happen. But that's not important. It's the morals of those stories which is. Such as the one where Jesus gathers the bread crumbs from a huge feast or similar, and using them creates the same amount of bread. Impossible. But the moral of the story, I believe, is something like "those who follow shall not go hungry" - perhaps 'unrewarded', for a deeper meaning. Whether or not he actually did it means nothing.

People get caught up on this so much. I tell them what I just said, and they get hung up on me saying it's impossible. And the reply is "But they're miracles, that's the point! He really did it!"

Who cares? Here's my own cilantro analogy, similar to one my father used at church, but nowhere near as good so I won't credit this to him. Jesus shall be represented as a dog-owner. His followers shall be represented as dogs.

The human pretends to throw the ball. Christian equivalent, tests their faith, perhaps with an impossible story like the miracles. The dog looks, and while it is looking the other way, the human throws the ball. The dog turns back to the human, looking for the ball. The human points. The dog sits there and stares at the human hand, but doesn't turn around and see the ball. So caught up on the irrelevant, missing the point entirely. It's right behind them, but they aren't turning to look.

That's a condensed, more poorly-told version, but I think it's not a bad attempt. You can question things and still believe what matters in your religion.

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I think if your faith is firm enough, you should be able to question certain things within it, and still live by the morals that you find appropriate.

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Apr 6 05 12:36 PM

Pfoww! Woahwww! That was the most intense reading I have ever had on this forum!
From beginning to end!

I'm not sure whether were still on topic (as in the pope) or if were discussing Jesus, spices or marriage!

Possibly the quickest derail I've seen in a serious thread.

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I don't think it's been derailled, it's just encompassing more issues.

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Yeah, keep in mind this was split from the Pope thread, so we no longer had to focus on just him. We're discussing religion and, as Jonas said, encompassing relevant issues, so we're still on the rails here.

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Apr 6 05 3:04 PM

That's a first considering how quickly we manage to turn drumming related threads from their path. But obviously, for some weird reason, debates seem to be kept on track.

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Yeah, wonder why. Perhaps because the fields of 'religion', 'drugs', etc. are so much broader than "got a new cymbal today", ya know? It doesn't take much for a thread of that nature to be thrown off-topic, but something like this, you'd have to be doing it almost intentionally to say something out of the boundaries of the subject.

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Shall we try?

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