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Apr 3 05 2:29 PM

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Ok. So last night we had our gig at Zeal. Wicked new venue by the way.

Anyways, it had been decided a couple of weeks back that I would use a click track to play to. Makes us a lot tighter and works really well. It had been a great idea, and worked out awesome while we were practising, but then problem was, to get the click track, I had to make a CD of click track because a simple metronome didn't work loud enough. So I ran the discman on stage into some earphones, and then put some earmuffs overtop. The problem was that I heard the metronome a cilantro, (the discman was weird as, koz it sort of skipped, so I didn't hear some clicks, but when it came back in, it was in time. WEIRD AS!), but the earmuffs really screw up the sound around me. My kit sounds really boomy and loads of reverb, and I don't think my monitor was working either.

So what I want, is some earphones or headphones that cut out loads of other noise, (but don't cut certain frequencies or make everything boomy and stuff), that go very loud becuase of how and where I'm using them, and I also need a way of setting all of this up so that I can have my earphones or headphones with my click track plus what would be in my monitor. So I need suggestions on how I can get a monitor feed from the main desk add in my metronome, boost the level, and hear it without all sorts of other sound on stage leaking in.

One thing I was wondering about is those in-ear moulded things. They look expensive, but when you're not buying the whole wireless setup how much are they really?

Cheers for any help I can get. If possible, something that I can sort out by this weekend because we are gigging again then...

Cheers.

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Apr 3 05 4:18 PM

ok, your options are simple, in-ear monitors, or cans. in terms of in ear monitors, i think the Shure ones are pretty good, and HEAPS of companies make them if you dont want the Shure ones. a quick google search and you will easily find a dozen reputable companies who make them. Weston are good from memory.

otherwise, you want cans (headphones). Vic Firth and AKG both spring to ming, especially for those of us with Creative Control (most of the time Thomas is wearing AKG ones, but during songs he uses the Vic Firth ones. Both are available through the rockshop, but they will have to order them in. no option is "cheap", but headphones will be less expensive.

if you want wireless, you either have to buy the whole system, or buy teh same brand as your setup, so they are compatible. well, im not certain, but i think thats the case.

hope that helps, I cant believe i just wrote all that, considering I have never even thought about this stuff, nor talked to anyone about it.

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Apr 3 05 6:44 PM

Get some vic firth noise insulator headphones which speakers in them! Someone was using them at TUDW i forget who!

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Apr 4 05 4:19 PM

Yeah, those Vic Firth ones don't look to shabby for 50$ american.

But I still need a way of getting a feed from the main desk and then adding my metronome to it. I figure if I have all that, then I can turn up at the venue, tell the sound guy what I do for monitoring, get him to plug me in, and I'm done.

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Apr 4 05 8:39 PM

Ok. Well, let's say I'm looking at those Vic Firth phones. At most gigs I have no input into my monitoring and the PA, so I'm looking for a fairly simple setup for myself that I can just ask the sound guy for a monitor output rather than a monitor itself. Does that make sense?

At gigs that we organise, I tend to mix my own sound through a mackie CFX12, which I thought a while ago about just getting a monitor feed from the main desk and run it into that but not assign it to either sub-assigns and just run it into an Aux instead. Headphones out from that. Again, does that make sense? I'm kinda confusing myself

Does anyone know how much it is for a pair of moulded in-ears? And are they effective at cutting out other noise?

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Apr 4 05 8:49 PM

All good. Cheers.

While we're sort of on it, how many out there play with (or gig with) a metronome?

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Apr 7 05 10:14 AM

Hey zack,

Yeah it was pretty confusing to read and what I got out of it is you want head phones that allow you to have both metronome & whatever live sound you need to hear?

I'm not an expert or anything but...

One thing I've seen/heard being done is playing the click track (CD) live via the mixer itself.

You hear the clicks as loud or as soft as you want it and most sound techs are good at channelling the sound so that it goes through control room output rather than through main.

Even if you were to play through the main output you could set it at a noise level thats below everything else but still audible to you, why? because you can always stick your headphones into the actual mixer and control volume from there!

Meh, just something I thought you'd be interested in. Hope its helpful. `

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